I was browsing reddit, an internet forum the other day. Under the “ask me anything” subsection, I found this gem:
Key: IAMA= I am A; AMA: ask me anything; also, in this context respondent= the person responding the questions aka the former inmate
IAMA Former Inmate at a Supermax facility. AMA
Served 18 months of five years in at CMAX, in Tamms Illinois.
I was released from a medium security facility in 2010.
I'm 35, white, male. Convicted of Armed Robbery and Attempted Murder, sentenced to 10 years, released after 5.
Ask me anything.http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/fypjj/by_request_iama_former_inmate_at_a_supermax/?limit=500
There were about 2137 comments submitted. I picked some that I thought were most relevant to our course. I think Reddit is absolutely amazing for this. The majority of people who don’t know a someone in prison would never be able to ask a current or former inmate about their experience in prison. Even better, the former inmate posts this thread on his own, and answers questions he wants and on his own terms. This makes people comfortable enough to ask questions, knowing that the former inmate is willing to do this, that he’s opening up to questions. Some of the questions and comments are a little disturbing but overall this open forum has made an excellent medium for the exchange of information. And the former inmate (the respondent) gives really great insights about the conditions he faced in prison.
Some interesting themes I came across:
- the purpose of prison
- Rehabilitation v. punishment
- The panopticon
- Effects of solitary confinement
- Rape (the readers were really curious, more than the respondent was willing to respond)
Q: What is the biggest misconception most people have about prison?
That there is anything even near rehabilitation. It's about warehousing people society hates. Period.
Q: I thought this was what most people knew. There should be more rehab part to it, but would you agree punishment for a violent crime is necessary?
Punishment is about revenge. If you're going to punish someone, kill them. You want them out on the streets again? Rehabilitate them.
Related comment: I don't think people delude themselves with the term 'rehabilitation.' They think of prison as a humbling dehumanization that 'breaks' the individual.
I think that most people imagine that prison is so terrible that it makes people want to never go back, so they roll their eyes at mistreatment and poor/unsafe conditions and even root for them.
The misconception is that prison improves people and prevents recidivism.
Related comment: Yes, it breaks people, and we then have this misconstrued idea that they have hit bottom and will rebuild themselves into better people.
What's the goal with boot camp? To break certain habits of an individual so that the military can then rebuild them into an effective member of a unit.
What's the goal with drug rehab? To break certain habits of an individual so that he or she can rebuild themselves with peer support and counseling.
Who is there to rebuild a felon when he breaks in prison? A whole lot of conflicting forces.
Related comment: I find it hard to believe that the prison system, drug laws, etc., were designed to get cheap labor to make goods such as license plates. Even considering whatever economic gain is derived from their cheap labor, incarceration is an overall economic loss for the state.
Q: If you had no conception of any end point, how do you think you would you have handled the experience in CMAX?
I'd have killed myself. Simple as that.
Q: What was it like adjusting to the real world after getting out? Anything like Red from the Shawshank Redemption?
It was harder going from CMAX to gen pop. Being around people again, the noise, the smell, it was crazy-making.
By the time of my release I felt mostly human again. I still sleep with my bedroom door locked. I don't like open spaces at all anymore.
Q: Do you feel the facility aided in rehabilitation? That you were previously an unfit member of society and due to your experience inside you are now a better person?
Fuck no. It's about punishment. I got sent to CMAX because I got into it with a black gang at my first prison. I'm not a racist, but the blacks in that place liked to fuck with the white guys all the time. I fought back, I was a target.
What is rehabilitating about locking a guy in a box for 23 hours a day? I nearly lost my mind many times and I'm still fucking damaged from it. If anything it made me regret not killing the guy, if I was going to face that kind of shit anyway.
Rehabilittion is a joke.
Q: What, in your opinion, would rehabilitate violent offenders?
Fuck, I dunno. Maybe a society where the poor aren't so desperate and fucked over at every turn. I did a six year hitch in the Navy (SEABEE) and came out to find no jobs without a college degree that could pay my bills. All the construction jobs go to Mexicans who do it for nothing.
Give a man a decent job at a good wage and treat him like a fucking person.
Related comment:There are really no questions about how to go about rehabilitating violent offenders (it's sexual offenders that are problematic). It's a question of cost and humility on the part of the federal government and the American people. We, as a country, are not prepared to forgive, to look forward, and to invest in criminal rehab.
We want to shut them out of our minds in an imaginary hell, where they are punished endlessly until they're old men, and then are released and die quietly. Preferably, they'll be put to death regardless of the severity of their crime. If they aren't "sorry" enough, they should never be released, either. Let's not forget that we don't want to coexist with them in open society, ever, and will do everything in our power to push them into destitution and low-skill, low-pay deadend manual labor.
We're living in the dark ages of criminal justice. If you want to learn about how a responsible, modern state deals with crime, visit a prison in Northern or Western Europe.
Related comment: My brother was sent to state prison at SIXTEEN. He went in as a punk kid, came out as a hardened, tattooed sociopath with a boatload of new criminal skills.
Are you familiar with the term "panopticon"? Is that what the CMAX was like? What did you do for your hour a day outside your cell? How did your perception of time change? Were you able to even keep track of time? What did you do during your 23 hours on your own during the day?
You were always under camera or guard watch.
Time gets very fucked up. I'd think it was noon when it was really 4pm. Afternoons were the worst. They seemed to just go on for ages.
The respondent has a very strong opinion about the purpose of rehabilitation versus punishment. After spending 5 years in prison, and part of it in a supermax facility, his answers are very intruding. A participant explains that prison is seen as a humbling dehumanization that 'breaks' the individual. And because this dehumanization serves a specific and important purpose (“breaking the individual”), it becomes a justification for ignoring subhuman prison conditions. “Punishment,” he says, “is about revenge.” It’s interesting then to see how the punishment mentality affects prisoners after their release. If punishment doesn’t rehabilitate prisoners, what does? The respondent suggests that better economic opportunities would be effective,” Give a man a decent job at a good wage and treat him like a fucking person.” Another reader added that his brother was sent to prison when he was 16 and came out with new criminal skills. Paradox.
The respondent says that the readers seems to be almost obsessive about prison rape, and another readers suggests that rape is a deterrent of crime, at least for him. I don’t if this is really measurable, but it would be interesting to find out about how much of a deterrent the idea of rape is. Another interesting theme from all the questions and responses is how racialized the discourse is. “I’m not racist but…” comes up a few times. The respondent doesn’t consider himself a racist, but he does reflect back on race relations in prison. He was eventually sent to a supermax prison from a medium security prison for getting into a fight with a gang of Black prisoners and while he doesn’t blame Mexicans for not being able to get a job, he does say that any work will be done by Mexicans for much less. He seems aware of economic inconsistencies among working class people (how they are pit against each other) and how those have worked to his disadvantage.
There are other interesting questions and comments (this is an open and ongoing forum) that I didn’t include. I suggest following the link to see what else has been added. I assume the thread will be open until the person who opened it decides he doesn’t want to answer more questions.